OCCUPY STUDENT DEBT

sallie mae private parents loans and extrinsic fraud

Sun, 27 May 2012 18:37:04 -0400

In 2002 My son wanted to attend Chubb Institute in New York.  When applying
for financial aid we were told that before he could be considered for any
other aid I had to apply for a parents loan.  Given that I was only making
250 a week and had just had an auto repossessed I told the financial aid
office I was certain I would be denied.  I filled out the application and
was never told I had been granted a loan for over 13,000 so we thought that
with his own federal loan they had found grants for him.

In February 2004 a lawsuit was filed against me in NY By Sallie Mae.  They
claim to have given service to someone they state was a "co-tenant" named
Jorge Torres.  At no time have I ever lived with anyone by that name.  The
owner of the house I lived in is Juanita And Julio Torres who are my aunt
and uncle.  Sallie Mae has since filed in Florida to recognize  this
judgment and have stated they sent me a copy at 21609 Sally St SE Palm Bay
Fl.  My address is 1069.  They then sent a summons for a deposition to 31069
Sally st.  The process server located me due to her ability to figure out
that there is no address as stated on her paperwork. During the deposition
their attorney asked me if my address was 21069 Sally St and I said no.  He
then asked me what it was and I provided him with the correct address  In
December they filed for a garnishment with no notice to me whatsoever.   I
asked their attorney for a copy of the promissory note they claim I signed,
it took him in excess of 30 days to get it to me and only after I notified
him that he failed to do so did he email some document to me and while the
signature is close it does not appear to be mine. The copy of his letter
prefacing the copy of a promissory note shows he used the address he knew to
be invalid.  This leads me to believe he deliberately did so use a fake
address in order to prevent me from any self defense  Additionally I had
asked 2 other collection agencies for this beginning in 2008 and their
current attorney has chosen to NOT send me a copy of all pertinent court
documents filed here in Florida including the garnishment at to my correct
address and in all likelihood has told the court he has while using an
address he knows is false in order to once again deprive me of my rights.

Now to add insult to injury Sallie Mae has turned this over to Allied
Interstate for additional collections in spite of the fact that they are
garnishing me!!



Their actions forced me to move in with my son and has resulted 
in even more serious damage to my credit.  I find myself at the age of 
57 facing a bleak future (what's left of it).  I may never be able to 
obtain my own home even as just a rental. I suffer frequent bouts of 
insomnia and my ulcer is nearly always actng up.  This in spite of any 
requests I have made to Sallie Mae directly to explain why they created a
 fictitious character upon whom to provide service and why their 
attorney in Florida uses an address he knows is incorrect

The 
fact that they have engaged in fraud in two states leads me to believe
that this is a common practice for Sallie Mae.
Is there any way to vacate this in both states? 
I really don't know and so far have been unable to obtain legal 
representation in light of the fact that with Sallie Mae taking 360 
every 2 weeks I will never be able to.

No relief for the disabled

Fri, 25 May 2012 12:59:35 -0400

I became disabled in 1999 with a year to go before graduating with two science degrees. Having transferred from community college to a public university and working 30 - 40 hours per week, my loans were pretty minimal. In-state tuition was a lot lower then.

My health insurance company decided that none of the hospitalization, surgical or other major medical costs were covered. I didn’t qualify for unemployment disability because my work-study jobs were classified as financial aid and not employment. No one was at fault; had it been a drunk driver or work-related, I could have sued or gotten workers’ comp.

When it was clear that my disability would be permanent, I notified my school and applied for Social Security Disability Insurance. With no income and a family that was barely scraping by before, plus significant ongoing medical costs, there was no way I could pay on my loans. When I applied for relief I was told that I needed to send in copies of the approval from Social Security. The problem? Social Security can take eighteen months to approve applications. My case was obvious enough that I got through in nine, but I have spoken to a woman who waited two years.

Before the six-month grace period had expired, I called the loan company (a contractor working with the lender, Bank of America) and asked about a deferment. I could send a doctor’s note, copies of hospital records, a letter from the admins at the college. None of these qualified me. A copy of my Social Security application wasn’t any good until it was approved. Had I been able to get unemployment or state disability, those papers would have given me a temporary stay, but I did not. Because my previous income was inflated by my loans and grants - which had gone straight to the university - my applications for emergency assistance programs had been denied.

Before the phone was cut off, the harassment from collectors began. They were abusive and demeaning, implying at one turn that I was a deadbeat who deserved my misfortune and at the next that I could just make money magically appear. They called my father, who was already devastated that he had so little to share with his suddenly handicapped child, and insinuated that he was on the hook for my loans. (He wasn’t. I was an adult student and had been emancipated as a minor anyway).

When I explained why I could not make the minimum payment, one agent told me, “you should have thought of that before you applied for the loan.” How was this supposed to change my decision making? That is why I had had health insurance, and one of the reasons why I was trying to get an education.

I became homeless. I slept on friends’ and relatives’ floors, finally got Social Security and stable housing. When I contacted the note holder I was told that the minimum payment was $350 - nearly half of my $800 per month disability check. Upon default the loans had been paid by the Department of Education, bundled with other defaulted loans and sold off to a debt collector for pennies. They had doubled the principal with penalties and fees. They are also exempt from the relief process that binds the original lender through the Federal guarantee, so I could not apply to clear them once I had proper documentation. The company was free to decide how many regular payments bring a loan into good standing. When I pressed one agent for a number, she finally admitted that I should not to expect them to be reclassified until they were fully paid off.

Had I been able to return to school part-time, I might have been able to finish my degrees and qualify for a job that would have allowed me to support myself while working within my limitations (my work experience is in poorly-paid manual work that I can no longer do). The university staff were very sympathetic but could neither allow me to return nor release my transcripts while I had loans in default. I did find several incredibly generous instructors who allowed me to audit classes - and even encouraged me to participate fully and held onto my grades in the hope of turning them in for credit once I could enroll again - but eventually it became too painful to pursue something I would never get to use.

Every few years my loans get flipped and I get dunning calls from some new company that tries to imply that I owe them twice what the last bunch of scammers claimed, which is double the bill from the one before. They are liars. I owe the Federal government about four thousand dollars, which I would be happy to repay either at payments of $50 per month or once I can get my degrees and a job.

These lowlifes threaten to garnishee my Social Security and there isn’t a damn thing I can do about it. Even if I had the money I wouldn’t give it to such sleazeballs.

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occupysalliemae — Thu, 24 May 2012 13:02:27 -0400

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Sallie Mae is greedy! Occupy Student...

occupysalliemae — Thu, 24 May 2012 11:59:00 -0400

Sallie Mae is greedy!

Occupy Student Debt!!!

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Sallie Mae Shareholders Meetin’ (by...

occupysalliemae — Thu, 24 May 2012 11:43:36 -0400

Sallie Mae Shareholders Meetin’ (by OccupyStudentDebt)

Are you at the Sallie Mae Shareholders meeting? We are! Come join us! EDUCATION IS A RIGHT!

Sallie Mae Shareholders Meet & Greet :) (by...

occupysalliemae — Thu, 24 May 2012 11:30:58 -0400

Sallie Mae Shareholders Meet & Greet :) (by OccupyStudentDebt)

Today we’re at the Sallie Mae shareholders meeting with SLAP. Check it out :)

I knew the principal balance was bad but I didn’t realize...

occupysalliemae — Wed, 23 May 2012 11:11:00 -0400

I knew the principal balance was bad but I didn’t realize how bad till I added it up! So depressed again!

disrupt the pipeline...that's the answer

occupysalliemae — Tue, 22 May 2012 17:12:23 -0400

Each state should pass a law stating that in order to borrow money to pay for a state college high school seniors must attend a student loan debt lecture given by college seniors - not the school finance office. In other words…don’t go to college on student loans…it’s just too risky. Once the pool of incoming fresh meat dries up the colleges and lenders will have a reason to make some changes, but as long as there are new suckers to be had this nightmare will continue. It may be too late for a lot of you, but you all could really help others by getting involved in warning young people about the trap that’s been set for them.

If our generation is morally bankrupt, can't we be financially bankrupt too?

occupysalliemae — Tue, 22 May 2012 17:09:44 -0400

Mark Twain did it. Henry Ford did it. Johnny Unitas did it, too. So did Burt Reynolds, Wayne Newton, Donald Trump, Jose Canseco, and MC Hammer. Even George Jefferson did it when, after “moving on up,” he started moving back down. Millions and millions of people have done it. So why can’t I?

What all these guys did, what I can’t do, is file for bankruptcy. All of them made bad investments, borrowed too much money, and maybe spent too much too. But when the courts saw the drastic discrepancy between what they owed and what they were likely to earn, they interceded and worked out a deal that allowed them to pay only a fraction of their debts.

And what about me? I made a bad investment. I invested in myself and in the future of our education system, two lost causes in retrospect. I borrowed too much. The federal government was only too happy to subsidize my borrowing of significant sums for every year of graduate school. I spent too much. I went to study in another country in pursuit of my chosen career path, and traveled to still others in the effort to advance its cause. But what did it all come to in the end? A whole lotta nothin’.

Actually, far less than nothing. I wish it was nothing. But, no, my hard work and determination and years of sacrifice came to -$62,000, -$77,000 with the collection agency’s punitive penalties. And who hired the collection agency? The same federal government that was only too happy to subsidize the loans in the first place.

In the eyes of my government I’m sure my paltry five-digit debt looks like nothing. After all, that government itself is in debt well over $15 trillion. And to all those famous people I named above too, I’m sure my debt, equal to the amount which an unsuccessful stockbroker spends on a car, looks like a trifle. Well, maybe not to Mark Twain or Henry Ford, but there’s been a lot of inflation in the century since they went bankrupt. In any case, unlike the federal government, which doesn’t really seem to have to answer to anybody, and unlike the famous names on my list, who at some point earned oodles of cash, I am and have always been worth nothing.

Oh yeah, I’ve got an education…in philosophy. But philosophy factories that pay six-figures don’t seem to exist. In fact, no philosophy factories seem to exist at all. There are only universities, and they are cutting back on the humanities more and more. Besides, I failed my first dissertation defense anyway, and my funding and visa ran out before I was able to try again. So I didn’t even get the chance to impart to another generation of duped teenagers the worthless academic wisdom to which I’d devoted an entire decade. My hopes and dreams and ten years of studying and reading and writing 80 hours a week were dashed to pieces, along with my right to live in the place where, for eight years—most of my twenties—I’d called home.

And when I came back to America with my tail between my legs, devastated at having to abandon a ten-year project that was my plan for the future, did the federal government receive me with a friendly, “welcome back to the land of opportunity?” No. All they said was, “where’s our money?”

Where’s your money? It’s in the same place that your promises of success with hard work and education are, the same place that my happy and productive future is, the same place as your American Dream: the wonderful, magical fantasy world of Neverneverland.

No one’s going to give me those ten years of my life back. No one’s going to give me back the space in my brain that I spent years filling with what turns out to be completely useless information. And no one’s going to give you back your money. All I can do now is teach English part-time at an hourly rate, and the money I make from that I need for things like eating, and housing, and paying for gas and car insurance to get to my low-paying job. Oh, and health insurance that I won’t use and can’t afford. Just accept it, federal government, and let’s agree to a lower amount that I can reasonably afford. Don’t worry, you’ll never be as shafted by taking less as I have been by buying all your BS.

Johnny Unitas was too old to play football again. MC Hammer was too old to make cool music again. Burt Reynolds had a miraculous comeback, and George Jefferson had a minor one. Wayne Newton and Donald Trump sold their proverbial souls to make money again after they went bankrupt. Unfortunately, no one wants to buy mine. Unless, you do, federal government. I’ll sell you my soul for $77,000, what do you say? I’ll even sign in blood and everything. But I must warn you, it’s pretty well disillusioned, pretty well corrupted, and pretty much broken.

If that doesn’t work for you, how about you just let me declare bankruptcy like all those other schmucks that made some bad decisions and now have to live with them? After all, what is to me a tidal wave threatening to destroy my life is only a drop in the ocean of your own financial stupidity.

Bankruptcy for student loans, because we were our own bad investments.

Occupy Graduation: San Francisco State University

occupysalliemae — Mon, 21 May 2012 00:27:38 -0400

Disabled, in default, no way out

Sat, 19 May 2012 01:28:47 -0400

<p>I became disabled in 1999 with a year to go before graduating with two science degrees and a 3.8. Having transferred from community college to a public university and working 30 - 40 hours per week, my loans were pretty minimal. In-state tuition was a lot lower then.

My health insurance company decided that none of the hospitalization, surgical or other major medical costs were covered. I didn’t qualify for unemployment disability because my work-study jobs were classified as financial aid and not employment. No one was at fault; had it been a drunk driver or work-related, I could have sued or gotten workers’ comp.

When it was clear that my disability would be permanent, I notified my school and applied for Social Security Disability Insurance. With no income and a family that was barely scraping by before, plus tens of thousands in medical bills, significant ongoing medical costs and no insurance, there was no way I could pay on my loans. When I applied for relief I was told that I needed to send in copies of the approval from Social Security. The problem? Social Security can take eighteen months to approve applications. My case was obvious enough that I got through in nine, but I have spoken to a woman who waited two years.

Before the six-month grace period had expired, I called the loan company (a contractor working with the lender, Bank of America) and asked about a deferment. I could send a doctor’s note, copies of hospital records, a letter from the admins at the college. None of these qualified me. A copy of my Social Security application wasn’t any good until it was approved. Had I been able to get unemployment or state disability, those papers would have given me a temporary stay, but I did not. Because my previous income was inflated by my loans and grants - which had gone straight to the university - my applications for emergency assistance programs had been denied.

Before the phone was cut off, the harassment from collectors began. They were abusive and demeaning, implying at one turn that I was a deadbeat who deserved my misfortune and at the next that I could just make money magically appear. They called my father, who was already devastated that he had so little to share with his suddenly handicapped child, and insinuated that he was on the hook for my loans. (He wasn’t. I was an adult student and had been emancipated as a minor anyway).

When I explained why I could not make the minimum payment, one agent told me, “you should have thought of that before you applied for the loan.” How was this supposed to change my decision making? That is why I had had health insurance, and one of the reasons why I was trying to get an education.

I became homeless. I slept on friends’ and relatives’ floors, finally got Social Security and stable housing. When I contacted the note holder I was told that the minimum payment was $350 - nearly half of my $800 per month disability check. Upon default the loans had been paid by the Department of Education, bundled with other defaulted loans and sold off to a debt collector for pennies. They had doubled the principal with penalties and fees. They are also exempt from the relief process that binds the original lender through the Federal guarantee, so I could not apply to clear them once I had proper documentation. The company was free to decide how many regular payments bring a loan into good standing. When I pressed one agent for a number, she finally admitted that I should not to expect them to be reclassified until they were fully paid off.

Had I been able to return to school part-time, I might have been able to finish my degrees and qualify for a job that would have allowed me to support myself while working within my limitations (my work experience is in poorly-paid manual work that I can no longer do). The university staff were very sympathetic but could neither allow me to return nor release my transcripts while I had loans in default. I did find several incredibly generous instructors who allowed me to audit classes - and even encouraged me to participate fully and held onto my grades in the hope of turning them in for credit once I could enroll again - but eventually it became too painful to pursue something I would never get to use.

Every few years my loans get flipped and I get dunning calls from some new company that tries to imply that I owe them twice what the last bunch of scammers claimed, which is double the bill from the one before. They are liars. I owe the Federal government about four thousand dollars, which I would be happy to repay either at payments of $50 per month or once I can get my degrees and a job.

These lowlifes threaten to garnishee my Social Security and there isn’t a damn thing I can do about it. Even if I had the money I wouldn’t give it to such sleazeballs.

Doing my best to do what's right...

perse1010 — Fri, 18 May 2012 11:43:48 -0400

I’m doing what I love - and my skill is even somewhat more lucrative than others (perhaps?), though I choose to work in the public sector working to make sure our Veterans get the care they deserve, but that doesn’t mean that I still won’t be in debt over my undergrad and graduate loans well into my 50s or 60s.

I owe about $60,500 and the payments are close to $350 a month. I am about to enter into my 3rd year of forbearance, though I’ll be attempting to pay on the loans throughout the year. I’ve had to take out forbearances for the last few years because of serious chronic illnesses. I’m working, but all that I make goes to medical bills and healthcare. I can’t tell you what my original loan amount is because the way it’s listed on the Nelnet site is almost impossible to read - the number I got was around $28,650 - and considering what I owe now, that just seems absurd, so I can’t say for certain that’s what it was.

This nation is in a crisis with this student debt situation and there needs to be more done to lessen this terrible burden and create jobs that pay a living wage plus more so that we can pay back what we’ve borrowed in order to get the education we needed to be upstanding citizens who contribute to our society.

In too Deep

occupysalliemae — Fri, 18 May 2012 11:36:21 -0400

I’m 27 yrs old and I owe about $22K in private loans. When I checked the balance the loan grew to $39K. I took the loan out about 5yrs ago and I have had to do forbearance during the course of the five years because of the fact that I was not making enough money. I was on and off jobs and whats really worse is that when the economy collapsed, it has become hard to find stable employment. I have been unemployed for the past 2yrs. Finally, I got a statement from Sallie Mae saying that I had to pay the full loan upfront or other wise I was going to into collections. In order for me to get into a repayment program I had to use a bank account so that they could debit the monthly payments. I had to borrow money just so that the loans would not go into default. The customer rep Teresa told me that if I default, its like defaulting on a mortgage. She even told me that I can let the loan go into default and that maybe the debt collector would settle with me. Sallie Mae is nothing but a botched company that takes the principal amount and triples it. I even tried to settle the loan even with a 1% to 2% and they said we cannot do that. They should know that if something happens in which someone becomes deceased especially if you do not have children nor are married, Sallie Mae you lose the money that was owed to you. There will be no one to go after. They need to accept the money that is offered and at least look that I am willing to pay. People if you must file a complaint with consumerfinance.gov they will listen as action must be taken.

TRAPPED BY SALLIE MAE WITH NO WAY TO ESCAPE

Thu, 17 May 2012 10:58:43 -0400

My sister called my crying yesterday. She is supposed to be happy, thrilled, and excited for a new life with infinite possibilities since she graduated from college last week. Sallie Mae has already begun harassing her. They claim that her first payment is due in just a few days. She explained that she should have a 6 months grace period before making payments. They claim that because it took her longer then 4 years to graduate she no longer gets a grace period.

She makes $9 an hour and hasn’t been working full time so that she can attend classes. She also is a single parent of 2 children whose father has lost his job and is no longer paying child support. Now Sallie Mae want their money even before she has had time to find a better job, which many grads can attest is extremely hard. Further she originally barrowed $20,000 and in just a couple of years that has ballooned to $29,000 due interest…and I say again…she just graduated last week.

Sallie Mae already has thrown out the word of delinquent AND JUST SO I’M CLEAR…SHE GRADUATED LAST WEEK. They also added that she could pay their ridiculous $50 forbearance fee per loan to get a very short-term 3 month forbearance which of course causes her loans to compound and grow.

Sallie Mae is stealing people’s present and future. She is screwed before she has even started. And what is worse is that there is nothing she can do about it. There is no consumer protections for student loans. Why is it that student loans debt is the only kind of debt from which there is no escape? And why would a county want to do this to its young? The very people that we depend on to buy houses and contribute to the economy, the young professionals, are no longer able to do that because they are trapped by all this debt. The government stepped in for the mortgage crisis and they need to step in now. WE NEED HELP NOW.

U.S. Secretary of Education, Arne Duncan, STOP spending a BILLION dollars on Student Loan collection agencies, and Start helping Student borrowers avoid default.

Tue, 15 May 2012 10:50:06 -0400

The Department of Education is paying $1 billion dollars a year to collection agencies to collect on defaulted student loans when the reality is that almost no one should default if adequate default prevention and aversion counseling strategies were put into effect and adequately funded.

Debt collectors in general received almost 181,000 complaints last year, which has led to intervention from the FTC, which is cracking down on agencies that aren’t obeying the rules. It has been reported that they are violating federal laws by insisting on stiff payments, even when student loan borrowers’ incomes make them eligible for leniency.

Collection agencies, student loan servicers and even schools have a vested interest conflicting with the best interest of the students. Collection agencies have inherent conflict of interest involved when private debt collectors are given financial incentives to collect the greatest number of dollars possible—rather than help student loan borrowers who have defaulted on student loans to a path toward making affordable repayments and rehabilitating their credit in the process.

We are asking the Secretary to allocate just $200 million of the $1 billion currently going to collection agencies, to fund a successful student loan default aversion and prevention processes both at schools and through independent non-conflicted organizations.

To sign my petition, click here: http://www.change.org/petitions/u-s-secretary-of-education-arne-duncan-stop-spending-a-billion-dollars-on-student-loan-collection-agencies?share_id=QuehbvaQHz&pe=d2e

It’ll just take a minute!

Once you’re done, please ask your friends to sign the petition as well. Grassroots movements succeed because people like you are willing to spread the word!

40% of my monthly income goes to private and federal student loan debt. I have a good job and am...

Tue, 15 May 2012 10:46:57 -0400

40% of my monthly income goes to private and federal student loan debt. I have a good job and am struggling just to start and family. I want to buy a house, but can’t afford anything and live in a mold-infested apartment. A moldy apartment is no place to start a family, so that’s on hold as well. I just want to live an average life.

DSCF6058 on Flickr.University of Colorado seniors “Occupy...

occupysalliemae — Sun, 13 May 2012 22:08:17 -0400

DSCF6058 on Flickr.

University of Colorado seniors “Occupy Graduation”!

Stop congress from DOUBLING student loan interest rates!

Sat, 12 May 2012 22:00:57 -0400

Hi there!

I am a student that is currently in a Politics class. We have an assignment to choose a current hot debate and perform some kind of activism for that subject. My group chose to focus on student loans. We created this petition to send to congress to help stop them from doubling the interest rates this summer. Please help not only us, but every student with loans by signing our petition!

Thank you for your time!

Student in debt

Student Loan Repayment Period with No End Date and Ever Growing Balance

Sat, 12 May 2012 20:34:20 -0400

I’m sharing my own student loan experience. Below you will find the most recent repayment terms of my loan, which will change over the years for any number of reasons unless you are able to repay your loan, month after month, year after year, just like a mortgage payment, without any intruptions. I have ALWAYS kept my loan current (with few minor hiccups) either via regular payments or deferment periods. My loan has NEVER gone into default. I have been paying the price for going to college since 1994. Below shows my original loan balance and my current loan balance and my final payment amount after the loan has been cured. It’s shocking - but true. You have to read it carefully - you are not reading anything incorrectly if you are able to realize that today I owe (including interest until the end of the most recent repayment period) only about $5,000 less than what I owed starting 18 years ago. That’s right - it’s all in writing and I have the supporting documents from the American Education Services group that manages student loans for SunTrust Bank, among other entities. These are solid factual numbers, and be forewarned, they’re shocking!!!! I owed over $19,000 18 years ago and today I still owe over $15,000!! That’s right - my balance has only been reduced by less than $4,000 in 18 years. What the numbers below do not show are what I have actually paid, in total, over 18 years. No bank or loan servicer would EVER provide the total amount of money that has actually been repaid on the loan. I’m guessing that my total repayment will be at a minimum twice what I originally borrowed - and that’s a conservative figure - and that’s what most students, including myself, do not realize when they get into these student loans. They will haunt you for life! I am 48 years old. See below:

LOAN FIRST ORIGINAL CURRENT INTEREST

PROGRAM DISBURSEMENT BALANCE PRINCIPAL RATE

CNSLDN 09/06/1995 $19,820.38 $13,347.57 9.000

TOTAL REPAY REPAY INSTALL DUE

AMOUNT TERM AMOUNT DATE

$15,725.58 41 $374.42 6/20/2012

1 $374.46 11/20/2015

I went to Everest University , I borrowed 15,000 which never...

occupysalliemae — Fri, 11 May 2012 11:26:04 -0400

I went to Everest University , I borrowed 15,000 which never knew until the end that they were Private loans , 2 years later I owe Sallie Mae $30,000 and have to pay $150 every 3 months because I am unemployed and can’t afford to pay , also I owe $41,000 in Federal student loans , which keeps getting bigger , I really see no end and no future anymore , is sad to go to school and end up at the end with a huge debt and no job or future